Nat Lauzon: Midlife at 50

Tara Sands (Voiceover)  0:02  
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Matt Cundill  0:14  
Nat Loz can be heard every weekend on the beat 92 five in Montreal. I like a lot of things about Nat, including the excellent forward planning in her life, like the time she thought she might need to do more than just radio, so she got into voice over

Nat Lauzon  0:28  
really long term employees just get the hatchet. And I didn't like that feeling. I didn't like the feeling of being in such a volatile industry with no plan B. So I started developing a plan B, and that was my voice over company,

Matt Cundill  0:44  
and how she thought this radio company is going to new places, and perhaps I don't want to be a part

Nat Lauzon  0:50  
of it. And we were moving, our building was physically going to be moving. And I made a mental page note that I was not going to be moving when we moved. So it was kind of a deadline for me to get my butt in gear and get things off the ground.

Matt Cundill  1:04  
That was the last time she appeared on this show, a long time ago. And now comes a new show from Nat called feedback, found on YouTube and wherever you get your podcasts. Nat has put a lot of thought into the show and is talking about all the joys of navigating midlife. We also discuss some of the things in life one does not plan for. Heads up, there's some toilet talk in this episode, because why not. And now Nat lozong joins me from Montreal. Feedback has been in the work for, you know, over a year, and then you launch it. So tell me what you were thinking about in the time leading up to launching the show, because that's a nice long runway and a long time for you to gather ideas. Yeah.

Nat Lauzon  1:47  
Well, I kind of knew that I wanted to get into the podcast world, but I only wanted to do it when it felt right, so I gave myself a lot of lead time to just explore that I didn't want to put something out that I wasn't happy with or having fun doing, because then I knew it wouldn't continue. So I just kind of settled and listened to podcast and listened to what other people were doing, and spent a year kind of figuring out what I wanted to do.

Matt Cundill  2:18  
That's such a great way to do it. And there's a key in there, and that's you go and you listen to other shows and try to decide what do I like, and What sound do I like, and what can I sort of gravitate to, and what do I want it to look like, and what do I want it to emulate? So what were some of the shows that you listened to that said, Yeah, I'm inspired, yeah.

Nat Lauzon  2:40  
So because I wanted to do a solo podcast, I was like, who else is doing a solo podcast? And how do they do it? Like, how do they keep people entertained without interviewing another person or so? I kind of, you know, I would listen to Sarah Silverman, but then I just started listening to podcasts that interested me, personally, whatever the subject matter was. So of course, I listened to Mel Robbins, I listened to Gary B, I listened to Huberman lab, Maya B, Alec, all of those things that I'm personally interested in first, and then I kind of went, so how are they doing it? Are they doing audio only? Do they have a visual component? How are they formatting it? What's the kind of script look like? So really, I just listened for fun, and then I dug into the details.

Matt Cundill  3:31  
So one of the things I noticed about feedback is how good it looks on YouTube. And did you spend more time watching podcasts, or did

Speaker 1  3:39  
you spend time listening?

Nat Lauzon  3:41  
Listening because I like listening while I'm doing something else. I don't like being static and listening and watching, I mean. So I was always just listening. If I would go for a walk, I would be listening to a podcast. If I was cleaning the house, I'd be listening to a podcast. So, yeah, it was always just listening. So the fact that I do have a visual component now, I'm trying to be aware that there are a lot of people who are just listening, also to think about them also with certain ways that I frame things or describe things.

Matt Cundill  4:14  
Yeah, well, there are more people listening. And I think, I think a lot of people go, Oh, I see the views on YouTube, and that's a big number. And then the number is similar also to the downloads. But I think if you looked at the amount of time people are spending listening, it is, it is way more, and I'm sure you would find that your experience is the same,

Nat Lauzon  4:31  
yeah, and it is. But because I also wanted to do a visual component, I wanted it to look good too. So I did spend time figuring out how I wanted it to feel, and I did try doing this, you know, talking to someone this way, and it didn't feel like it wasn't the vibe that I wanted. I wanted something cozy. I wanted something real life. I wanted people to feel comfortable and in a home setting. And. So that's what I did.

Speaker 1  5:02  
That's so radio. Of you, do you think,

Matt Cundill  5:05  
yeah, well, I mean, radio people like having people in the studio, the show's better. I know Terry demote, Ted Byrd, when they do their podcast, it's always better with the two of them in the studio. I think in the pandemic, we learned that, you know, doing radio shows from home, it didn't quite have the same feel. And you know, being together in the same room is just, you know, there's a chemistry and an aura, and I don't know that connection with the eyes and whatnot, right?

Nat Lauzon  5:31  
I agree. But you see, my studio is my home. I'm not in a studio. I'm literally in my basement, in my rec room, on a couch. So to me, that feels different from a quote, unquote studio vibe, even though, you know, people can't see that there's lights and there's a camera and there's all that other stuff. But yeah, I wanted it to have that type of feel, as opposed to we're sitting at a desk or we're talking online, and so that's how I did it.

Matt Cundill  5:58  
Yeah, does it feel agnostic when you do the show between video and audio, it's like, oh, I'm doing a show, and people are listening to it, but they're also watching me. It's a different way of saying, Are you conscious of

Speaker 1  6:10  
the camera? Well,

Nat Lauzon  6:12  
in a way, yes, because I make sure to always make eye contact with the camera, because I want people to feel like they're with us in this living room. So I am always aware of the camera being there, but it doesn't feel uncomfortably so, because again, I'm in my house and it's not a huge camera, and there's not a crew, it's like, okay, well, if we mess this up, I'm just gonna pick it up from here and then edit it later. So yeah, I'm aware that there is a camera, but it doesn't hurt anything, you know, more like, Does my hair look okay, which I usually don't give a crap about. So you'll see that I look pretty on most of the shows.

Matt Cundill  6:51  
So there's somebody out there who's thinking about starting a podcast, and you came out looking really, really good in the first five episodes of your show. It's like, yeah, this thing looks good. So what are some of the products that you had to buy to make yourself look good? You don't have to have exact products. Okay, so

Nat Lauzon  7:10  
I bought a small camera. What is it called? I think it's, you'll probably know, it's like a Sony z1 or something, or Sony. Anyway, it's a tiny, little, little camera that I saw recommended on YouTube. So I basically went to YouTube and said, What's the stuff I need? And so I bought that ZV one camera. I have a laptop from 2017 I have one of those things that goes from the camera to the laptop for HD conversion. I have a couple of lights that I bought on Amazon, and then I didn't know how to put any of that together, because video is not my jam. Audio is my thing. So I had all this equipment, and I was trying to learn it, and getting extremely frustrated. And then so I just went, Well, screw this. And I had a friend, Mark aflalo, come to my house, and I paid him for a couple hours, and he helped me set everything up, and I felt so much better. So that was the one place that I was stuck on, was the technology aspect. So everything else I understood and I could do, you know, the audio, everything else, but it was the putting the pieces together. And he helped me. And then away I

Speaker 1  8:18  
went. I think Mark

Matt Cundill  8:19  
has turned that into a business too. I think he's think there's some Facebook ads with Mark now saying we'll come to your house and set you up. You might have inspired him into

Speaker 1  8:28  
a business. Mark

Nat Lauzon  8:30  
is awesome. He is able to frame things in a way that make it really easy to understand. And I thought I would have to buy a new laptop. It's from 2017 he said, don't buy a new laptop. You just buy this. He sent me the links, just buy this. Just buy this. And I'll come over and we'll put it together. I'm going to show you how to do everything. And literally, it was less than two hours. It was probably one hour, and I was good to go. So I would advise people not to get bogged down in the technical aspect, because you can do it if you outsource. Mark is the

Matt Cundill  9:00  
host of your tech report. For those who really want to get deep, deep, deep in weeds on technology and computers and everything like that, he's awesome. Yeah, he really is. We've, we've worked together for many years now on the podcast side, and didn't get a chance to work with him in radio because he was at the other place across the street that we show that name, that's code for. We worked in Montreal. He worked at Shellman. We worked at mix.

Nat Lauzon  9:24  
I thought you said we weren't getting into the weeds. Come on,

Matt Cundill  9:29  
you were quick to dismiss doing a podcast that was going to be like, guess, like this one, right? This was going to be about you and anyone you wanted to invite into your world, right?

Nat Lauzon  9:40  
But then, as you will see from my podcast, I really only have people with me, so it kind of changed. What happened was my boyfriend, Rupert, who really is hilarious and a natural born storyteller. We would just sit on the couch. I mean, we. Literally sit on the couch and just shoot the shit about whatever. And I often thought to myself, Man, this he could be so great on the podcast, like he's so funny, we should do this together. And I asked him, Do you want to do some with me sometimes? And he went, Yes, totally, I would. I'd love that. And so we tried it out, and it was just, it was a fish to water. And so it was the way that we communicate already outside of in our everyday life, just in front of a camera, and it's been really a lot of fun. And then I realized, you know, hey, my friends, my personal friends, they've got stories, they've got stuff to say, why don't I just try that on for size? And so I had one of my friends on, and we talked about making friends in midlife, Rupert and I have talked about dating in midlife, so it is really fun to speak with people. But I also look forward to doing some episodes on my own, which I'm working on one right now, to kind of give a bit of a variety.

Matt Cundill  10:53  
It's funny, you say midlife, but you just turned 50, so you're planning to live to 100 right? Yeah, duh, aren't you? Absolutely?

Nat Lauzon  11:01  
Yeah, my grandfather lived to 99 totally like with it the whole time. His favorite show was, Curb Your Enthusiasm.

Speaker 1  11:10  
I love that show. Actually.

Matt Cundill  11:12  
Just back to Rupert for just a sec. What's his experience behind a microphone?

Nat Lauzon  11:17  
Rupert, while none doing talk. Rupert, back in the day, spent a year in his 20s on the road in a band touring Quebec, and so he has experience with being on a stage, and he's an amazing guitar player. He'll always say no, but he's freaking awesome you guys. So that's about it, but he always was just really good at telling stories like he's just one of those guys naturally. So it was easy to apply

Matt Cundill  11:43  
incredible command of the microphone, obviously, is performed before, and that's where he gets it from.

Nat Lauzon  11:48  
Yeah, I'm so, I'm so, like, proud of him. He's so good at it and so and it's so fun to do with him, you know? And sometimes we'll just, we won't have an idea, and we'll just, let's just talk with the camera rolling and see what comes out. And then sometimes it's like, oh, that was funny. We're using that.

Matt Cundill  12:05  
So it's difficult to explain what feedback is, unless people who understand the relationship you and I had, basically, the way I sum up the show is this is exactly what Matt used to say in the hallways in between breaks when she was on the air at mix 96 when I knew her well.

Nat Lauzon  12:21  
Thank you. I appreciate that. Because feedback is like, I'm interested in a lot of things and I'm curious about a lot of things. I like to bounce around ideas. I can't keep things in one single lane. I'm interested in a lot of stuff. And expect silliness to happen. Expect weird questions to happen. Expect the unexpected when it comes to me.

Matt Cundill  12:46  
So I never felt so lonely after you and I started talking about sharding back in 2005 we only started talking about it in 2005 maybe 2004 there's one you know, when we first, began to work together. Are you alluding to the sharding episode? There could have been a sharding up? Well, there was, yes, I am alluding to the sharding episode that you did. But also, I mean in development, though, you're the one who introduced me to the term brown loading. Oh, my God, I forgot about that. Yeah, you're welcome. You're still using it, apparently. Thank you. I'm still using the same bits from the 90s. Did you use it this morning? Wink, wink, yes.

Nat Lauzon  13:35  
Yeah, look. I mean, I'm 50, and I'm a chick, and I've always found farts to be funny. I've always found potty humor funny. So sue me. Sometimes it happens that we speak about it on the podcast. I've spoken about it on the radio. It's just a part of Nat and everyone should expect that, but I have other parts too.

Matt Cundill  13:59  
Sharting is just farting with consequences.

Nat Lauzon  14:02  
Exactly? Did you hear or did you see the clip from the podcast about the term for sharding in French? You're gonna have to go see it. I'm not gonna spoil it for you, but there is a term for shart in French, and it's hilarious.

Speaker 2  14:16  
Do you know what they call a shark in French? You know what a fart pet, right? So what do you think they call a wet pet? Oh, they call it a pet sauce, a sauce, a sauce, fart pet sauce, grossest thing. Great. Pet. So you didn't know what's called, no fart sauce. It should be called a fart sauce in English. You got a little like sauce with your fart, yeah? It's like some sauce on your fart? Yeah, just this once. Maybe it's so graphic and perfect. It's perfect French man, sometimes they have really great expressions, and that's one of them, pet sauce.

Matt Cundill  14:51  
We also had dueling stooling two people who sit beside each other in the bathroom

Speaker 1  14:56  
stall same time who I didn't do that. I. No, but we came up with the term. We did. I don't remember half of my life, Matt, thank you for reminding me of these things.

Matt Cundill  15:09  
Actually, it was Matthew wood who told it to me, and then I sort of told it to you.

Nat Lauzon  15:14  
Okay, dueling is dueling, which I don't think I could ever do in real life. Because no, but I remember back in the day when all those guys got excited because there was a new website called ratemypoo.com and that was everyone was like, What ratemypoo.com This is the craziest thing I've seen on the internet. Yeah, how far we've come and how not far we've come.

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Matt Cundill  16:03  
you talk also about things in life, like living alone, and some people find that weird. I don't find that necessarily weird, but some people do find that weird. I think,

Nat Lauzon  16:13  
look everybody, we've all moved on like everyone has different life choices. Some people don't have kids, some people don't get married. Some people live alone. It doesn't mean they're weird. It just means that they know themselves well enough that this is the choice that they decided to make. Yeah, it's not weird. Like I've done the living together thing, I've done the living alone thing, and I I'm the type of person who really enjoys my alone time. Like a lot, I am more creative when I get to be alone and really dig into writing or reading like it helps me reset. It's my buffer zone. So ain't nothing weird about that. I don't think it's whatever you need, right?

Speaker 1  16:52  
Yeah, and

Matt Cundill  16:53  
the time you spend over the holidays too. I mean, there's a lot of alone time. I was kind of jealous at the amount of alone time you were having over the holidays. I was like, I think I want her life,

Nat Lauzon  17:01  
dude, it's so weird, like, because Rupert got sick, and so then I was alone. But I also don't mind being alone. Since covid, I've been alone, like, literally alone, I think three out of out of those five Christmases, and I realized it's okay, and Christmas is my favorite holiday. And I love, love, love, love, I love everything about Christmas. I love it, but my family lives in northern Ontario, and I hate traveling at Christmas because of flight delays and weather and sick people and crowds and all that stuff. So yeah, alone time is key. I love it, but I also love being with people too. It's just I need time to reset after I people for a while, and then I'm good to go again. So I just know how to manage my own nervous system. Is all that

Matt Cundill  17:47  
is, yeah, I find Christmas to be high pressure, especially when you come from, you know, the radio side, and it starts in October, and sometime around Remembrance Day, somebody will launch Christmas music on the radio. The ads will all be Christmas. We're going to do the 12 Days of Christmas leading up to Christmas. We're going to do Christmas parties, and then we're going to do the stuff on the air. We're going to do the stuff off the air by the 21st of December, after you've done all your Christmas lunches, by the way, with every record company and every client I'm done by December 21 and I want to crawl into a hole, but then you got the family stuff, and then that goes on to the 25th and it opens, you open up the presents, and then family's still lingering. There are 12 Days of Christmas, and ends on January the sixth.

Nat Lauzon  18:29  
Your life is so much different than mine, because mine does not play out that way at all. But I do see that for other people.

Matt Cundill  18:37  
Well, you're in voiceover. You don't get the Christmas scripts coming from the clients,

Nat Lauzon  18:41  
yes, but like even voiceover now, it's so much different than it was even three years ago. So nothing is really crazy. And also my role now in radio is so periphery by choice that I I'm not involved in those things, because I know where I want to put my energy, and I still love radio, but I also have learned how to manage that and still enjoy that, but also have a balance in my life, too. But what you're saying is true for like so, so, so many, probably most people, who work full time in radio, it's just go, go, go, go, go, go, and then it's, as you said, the family stuff.

Matt Cundill  19:20  
What is your relationship with radio these days?

Nat Lauzon  19:23  
Radio now is, I mean, it's the same as it's been for the last 14 years. So I, I'm on on the weekends and and that's it. And honestly, I'm okay with that, because I I still have a hand in it. I still get to do that, but I get to have the time to explore all this other stuff now, which I is really exciting me, and it's really interesting me, and I'm really curious about

Matt Cundill  19:50  
So, what is the difference between radio and podcast? And don't answer it to me, just answer to like, just a general person who would ask you, what is the difference between. Radio and podcast.

Nat Lauzon  20:02  
Podcasting is somebody hanging out with you anytime that you want. Podcasting is getting to know the person, the host in a more relaxed and intimate setting, you feel much more of a connection in a longer form setting and also with a visual component too. It's something that you know, you can go back to, you can replay radio is immediate, and then it's done podcasting. I can download. I can listen again. I can rewind. I can share with someone. I just find it really more of a one on one opportunity to be with a person than radio now,

Matt Cundill  20:48  
which is kind of interesting, because as program directors, we were always told, Hey, try to make the conversation very one on one. That was always what we were sort of aspiring to do in radio.

Nat Lauzon  20:57  
Yes, and it still is. It still is, in a way for those people listening in their cars or listening at work, or if you are listening passively in that way, it still is. Radio still has that magic. Radio still has that that local element to it, that things that you need to know, that are going on in your city. It still has a place, and it still speaks to the person, but it speaks to the person between commercials, between the songs, and some people don't want any of that. Some people just want this. And that's where podcasting has its place.

Matt Cundill  21:31  
I think I didn't mean to go back to Pooh.

Speaker 1  21:35  
Yes, you did back to Pooh, the matt Cundill story.

Matt Cundill  21:40  
Yeah, I turned 50. I was living in Manitoba at the time. And when you turn 50, you get in the mail a poo kit with a stick on it, and you have to take a sample and then send it back in a plastic bag to the doctor, I guess, and they will give you a result if you're if you're good in your colon and your prostate and all that other stuff. So that's what happens. Now, I gather that you turn 50, and you know you're offered tests at this point, right? So you turn 50, and you know, whole bunch of new tests open up to you and you

Speaker 1  22:09  
encountered cancer.

Nat Lauzon  22:11  
Yeah, I wish I only had to poo on a stick instead. I had to go get my boobs squished. Yeah, last year was a real shit show for me. Around February of last year, I started to get crazy, perimenopause insanity. I had to take a leave of absence, which I've never done in my entire life, like I was a person who I did not recognize and could not function, and got that under control, feeling good. I'm gonna go back to work, but I'm 50, so I'm gonna get my first mammogram. So let me just get that out of the way while I'm on leave, and then, bam, I'm diagnosed with stage zero breast cancer. Which one the doctor called said is, if you want a cancer, this is the one to get. And I'm like, Hey, I didn't want any of them. Actually. I'm cool to not have any of them, but I was really, really lucky, because stage zero is highly curable. It's not even a thing that goes into remission. You know, like, yes, you will always wonder, but it's not invasive. Cancer, by definition, cannot spread in the body. If it's treated, it has the potential to If untreated, but it's a very straightforward, I shouldn't say straightforward, because there's many different options, and everything is individual. But for me, my, of course, my world changed, and it threw me for a loop. And there's no cancer in my family, and what the hell is happening in my life? And it was extremely scary when I didn't know anything about it. I don't know all these terms, and so I went through the whole thing. I mean, I don't mean to sit here and say that it was super easy and blah blah, here we go, because it wasn't. But now, in hindsight, looking back, I can see that I was really lucky in what stage it was and in

Speaker 1  23:56  
my treatment. What is the treatment? So the treatment

Nat Lauzon  24:00  
varies for different people and with how widespread the cancer is. So it's called DCIS ductal carcinoma in situ. And in situ means it stays in place. It occurs in the milk duct and it doesn't break out. But if given enough time, and if it's a high enough grade of cells over years, it can break out and become invasive, so it has the potential to but there are three grades within DCIS, grade one, grade two, grade three. They're all non invasive, but grade three has the biggest chance to become invasive. Mine was grade one, and so because of that, I was invited to join a clinical trial in Montreal, which follows women with stage zero breast cancer because it is often overtreated. What they used to do back in the day was like you get everything that invasive cancer patients get. You get radiation, not chemo. It doesn't respond to chemo. So you get radiation, you get the hormone blockers. You get mastectomy, double mastectomy, whatever it is. But now they realize that in a not small number of women, it may not progress even over their lifetime. So for me personally, as part of the personal trial, they took that tissue and they send it for a genomic test, which I found fascinating. It tests your own cancer cells to tell you how likely this is to become an issue in your life. And anything, any score under 39 in this particular test, is a low chance of recurrence. And My score was zero, like my cells were so indolent, like I generated the lowest score from this test that was possible. So, yeah, radiation was not recommended because the benefits did not outweigh the risks. And I had surgery. I had surgery alone, and now I am doing follow ups, and I'm in this clinical trial for 10 years, and I love the fact that I can help other women in the future who are diagnosed with this, because it's a diagnosis of like my breast surgeon said, You're a victim of modern technology, because mammogram technology is really the only thing that finds this, not ultrasound, not MRIs mammograms, because It shows up as tiny, little specks that look like salt, and they're called calcifications. And mammograms are the only thing that find that, and once you know it, you can't unknow it. But the problem is that there are women who could have had this in their breasts their entire life, and it would never have done anything, but you can't put the genie back in the bottle once you know it's there, so you have to, at minimum, remove it. So I feel really lucky at the end of the day, but it's always it's in my brain. You know. Now I'm at the point where it's like, how do I stop thinking about it? But I hope that over time and with more clear memos, it will be fine. But yeah, it really throws you for a loop. Man, it's crazy.

Speaker 1  27:04  
Yeah, and

Matt Cundill  27:05  
you know, while this is going on, by the way, you were thinking about feedback, and so I sort of thought, Well, okay, I launched feedback. I said this is going to be a completely different show than if Matt had not encountered this.

Speaker 1  27:18  
Do you think it's different, or do you think

Matt Cundill  27:21  
I don't know what it would have been had you not discovered you had cancer, it would have been a different

Speaker 1  27:26  
show. Yeah, maybe

Nat Lauzon  27:28  
it was a bit disheartening, because, as we spoke about it earlier, I was working towards this podcast for a long time, and then this happened, and I was like, I don't feel like doing anything. I don't want to do anything, like last year, when I was going through perimenopause symptoms and all this crazy stuff, I don't want to work on this. This is over now. And then I started to think, what are you doing like, If not now When, like, this is something that you wanted to do and you've been working towards. So how about you use it as something to turn your brain off of medical issues, and think about something that's fun and that's interesting and that you want to do. And so in between appointments, and while I'm navigating all this bullshit, I'm like, Okay, let me work on it a little bit here. Okay, let me work on it a little bit here, a little bit here, a little bit here. And it was the right thing to do. It made me feel better, and I ended up getting it off ground.

Matt Cundill  28:24  
You know, I have a rule that I just tell everybody who starts a show, and it's like, the first five episodes are gonna suck, but yours don't suck at all. So, oh, that's

Nat Lauzon  28:33  
so nice, Matt, thank you. That means a lot to me. It means a lot to me.

Matt Cundill  28:39  
You circumvented that. And like even the best podcasts out there, the first five episodes kind of suck. And, you know, yours came out with, you know, a year preparation, a lot of thought real direction. I know you and I talked a little bit about, you know, direction. You asked the right questions to the right people along the way, and you got something going. And what I what I don't love, but what I love, because it's where the comedy is. When you turn 50, I have this thing. Well, somebody said, Well, what's it like to turn 50? And I said, you begin to get the bill for everything you know that's happened up until this point. So you know, it could be, it could be a form of cancer. It could be the sore knee, it could be your back goes out. It could be erectile dysfunction. It just, you just randomly get bills and aches and things

Nat Lauzon  29:23  
that that's a great way to put it. That's a great way to put it. It's true. I'm going to steal that. Is it okay? I'll give you credit, but, but it's true. You do get the bill. I got the bill, and it was a wake up call, and not that I wasn't taking care of myself, because I barely drink. I'm healthy. I've always worked out. I eat well, like, I'm not a person who just runs my life into the ground. Like, health and wellness has always been important to me, but it just things will happen that are out of your control, and they'll just happen, but they always say it's your response to those things, right? What is it going to be your response to that thing that happens? I but I took the bill, I paid it, and I used the bill to help inspire me and shake myself up and go, Hey, man, you're not on this planet forever like you. Better start doing something that you're interested in. You better start giving your energy to the people who matter. You. Better start curating your life in a way that is meaningful to you, and I feel like I'm doing it, and I feel like not even I wasn't at death's door, like, at all, none of that stuff, but it's like it shook me up enough to say I have another chance. Like, I feel like I'm just getting started with this podcast aspect. And it's so fun. It's so fun.

Matt Cundill  30:39  
You're one of the more creative people I know, and now, like it's opened up to some video, and it's opened up to some audio, and it's on demand audio, and, okay, yeah, watch what you're doing. It's a lot of fun. It's so good to see you succeeding in this particular space. That means a lot to me. Thank you so much. Well, I have goals in life for 2026 Tell me one. Well, it's to get on your show. Oh, duh, easy, let's do it. Matt, thanks so much for doing this and being so honest and open and for telling us all about feedback. It's great show. Everybody hit subscribe on the YouTube and follow on the apple and the Spotify and all the other toys that are out there.

Nat Lauzon  31:19  
And Matt, thank you for all your help and advice. As you knew I was, you know, planning this for a while, and you really gave me some amazing advice too, and always like so much support. And I really, really appreciate that. So thank you. I love you. Love you too.

Tara Sands (Voiceover)  31:34  
The sound off podcast is written and hosted by Matt Cundill, produced by Evan cerminsky, edited by Taylor McLean, social media by Aidan Glassey, another great creation from the sound off media company. There's always more at sound off podcast.com you.

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